Topic: My Jerry thoughts and wonders

Ugh.. I'm obsessed with the seires now, I really am... Rather than be crazy-unbearable annoying and make a billion differnt threads, I'm going to be crazy annoying and just make one....

These are thoughts, questions, and unrelated trail-offs that have swirling in my head over and over... I need to get them out! So this is going to be the first and last time I directly start a conversation about the Jerry seires.

How did Jerry get to where he began at the beginning of the first short?
--- There is a huge gap of approx 22-28 years between Jerry and the Closet and Jerry.

Does the moon have a deeper personal meaning for Jerry, beyond a staple in the original episode that can be related to both at the start and the end?
--- I think the purpose of the moon in the Jerry seires is to signify when a character contemplates the future. In Jerry, he first looks at the moon with optimism, but its crushed by the end of the film. In Jackie, although she begins to stare deep into it during a moment of personal emptiness, she steps back in the middle, as her addiction for drugs fills that void and acts as her staple. Jerry found no staple, nothing he could hold on to throughout his life, so he killed himself. Perhaps the moon was this staple, this object he could always turn to at any point in his life. There is nothing present in both "Little Jerry and the Closet" and "Jerry" that would suggest there is something dear to Jerry he's held onto whilst he's grown up.

Who is "2nd woman from original" and what is her story before she meets Jerry?
--- Obvious question, with a billion related obvious questions I cant be bothered to write.

How did Jerry meet "2nd woman from original"?
--- Before "2nd woman from original" appears, we cut from the supermarket, and not from the car, which would suggest Jerry met her downtown, however he then drives to work the next day... Either "2nd woman from original" drove them home after they met downtown, or this is a continuity error.

What happens to "2nd woman from original" after she meets Jerry and before she returns with Junior?
--- The biggest obvious question I guess

What happened during the moment of Jerry's death?
--- Did he hesitate? Did he have final thoughts? Did "2nd woman from original" know? I guess thats a question thats intended to be left unanswered.

What was done with Jerry's corpse after his death?
--- Between the beginning of Junior, and when he bounces on the bed 6 years later, Jerry's corpse is gone.

Who is Jerry's biological mother?
--- We briefly see her in Junior.

Is the woman pictured in Junior Jerry's biological mother?
--- Again, nothing implied, there is just a woman in a picture. Might not even be the real mother.

The house seen at the start of Little Jerry and the Closet is differnt to the one seen in Junior. Yet both houses have a haunted closet.
--- Continuity error, has got to be. If not, Grandpa keeps something terrible in the closet, which he then took to the new house. My guess is its the corpse of Jerry's true biological mother.

Why did Jerrys parents divorce?
--- Jerry is at the same age as when his photo album picture was taken. So if the mother pictured is not his biological mother, then this isn't really a truly devistating divorce. Still, what happened?

Who is Jerry's foster parents?
--- Another biggy, part of the missing years I guess.

Who was the "last little boy" to look into the closet?
--- I think this was just for the purposes of writing, unless Jerry had a younger brother, who then died from shock upon seeing his dead mother..... His corpse could also be kept within the closet.

Jerry's door is fully closed at the start and end of Jackie, but is ajar at the start of Junior
--- I think "2nd woman from original" will open the door, then leave it ajar if she appears in a cartoon.

Who is Junior's mother?
--- I think there is a chance "2nd woman from original" could not be Junior's mother, as it is never stated or implied. She just appears with a child. He could be adopted, found, or passed on from a partner who left her. "2nd woman from original" refers to Junior as his "Mom", but this could just be the act of a socially responsible parent rather than a loving one. I think Junior is Jerrys son, as its originally confirmed in Junior by Grandpa, and memories of Jerry are shared which both characters relate to. Although it is implied that Junior is possibly Jackies Son in Junior, I initially didn't think it was true. We would have seen this in the Jackie short. Then again, watching back, we do cut to "months" later... If it is true, then during these missing months, Jackie must have searched for Jerry to somehow find "2nd woman from original", when she then dumps the kid with a note or something.

Is there not anything good in the world that Jerry left behind after he died?
--- Maybe, Jerry left a suicide note which influenced choices in life "2nd woman from original" makes after his death. However Jackie searched his body before she left the house. Perhaps its in his other trouser pocket, or inside top pocket? Yeah I can dream.

Really I ought to count the flashes in the original to make more sense of things, but that would be going too deep.

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i think there's like 20-30 flashes in the original but junior shows up like 5-10 after jerry bangs the second girl which means the flashes are just to show time elapsing rather than representing actual days

and furthermore wowie man those are a lot of weird questions

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MrScriblam wrote:

junior shows up like 5-10 after jerry bangs the second girl which means the flashes are just to show time elapsing rather than representing actual days

Hmm, good point..

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this time i read it.. good stuff

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While we're on the topic of time in the Jerry universe... Was checking Junior for time infomation... Its Junior's 6th birthday, Grandad was born in 1945, and he is 68.

Therefore Junior takes place in 2013, Jerry takes place in 2006-7, and Jerry and the Closet takes place around approx 1982.

During Jerry, Jerry is in his mid-Twenties. During Jerry and the Closet, Grandpa is in his mid-Thirties.

Gah, nothing I can analyze too deep from that.. >=(

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Okay I'll answer these bad boys right now.

1: CLASSIFIED INFO

2: Correct! Jackie staring at the moon in her short is indeed a callback to Jerry. I like to think the 2 are staring at it at the same time. I'm not quite sure what sort of symbolism it holds. I've always enjoyed staring at the moon myself, its something very romantic, and can be enjoyed at any age. Perhaps the moon offers Jerry and Jackie comfort.

3, 4, 5: Her name is Jennifer, and the reason I haven't elaborated on her story is because, frankly, it doesn't seem interesting to me. Not everyone has an interesting story to tell. We can just make the mundane assumption her and Jerry met at the store or something, and she, unlike Jackie, doesn't actually have any affections for Jerry, but was just looking for the physical experience.

6, 7: When Junior discovered Jerry's corpse, I originally wanted to have flies buzzing around it, to imply that it had been there a while because nobody realized Jerry was missing, to imply nobody cares about him. I decided against it because I thought it might gross people out. But yeah, he was hanging there for a week before anyone bothered to investigate. Jennifer was sleeping on the couch, I think. I'm not sure if he hesitated at the final moment but showing someone killing themselves always seemed too dark for me

8, 9: CLASSIFIED INFO

10: You got me here, pal. They are, in fact, supposed to be the same house, I just drew them differently for some reason.

11, 12: CLASSIFIED INFO

13: I don't assume that there ever actually was a "last little boy", Jason was just trying to scare Jerry. Why? Because he didn't want Jerry to go in the closet! Why? BECAUSE HE LOVES HIM

14: You got me again. Continuity is not my forte, obviously. Maybe the wind blew it open?

15: A lot of people have asked me about who the real father is, but nobody has asked me about who the real mother is! In any case, the truth is this: Junior is the actual, factual biological offspring of Jerry and Jennifer.

16: Sorry, no suicide note. That's not Jerry's style

also I'm REALLY impressed you figured out the correct dates for all the events! Wow!

Also, here's one more shocking revelation for ya....

Jerry's last name....

Is Jackson

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I can't wait until I have rabid fanboys who analyze every inch of my movies looking for continuity and errors, because I happily accomodate them by jamming tons and tons of hidden shit in my movies.

Also, you ALWAYS draw houses like that so I shrugged off the continuity error with his house.

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Hotdiggedydemon wrote:

Answers

You dont understand how happy this makes me feel.....

Although you can't kill obsessions...

Lets see...
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1. How did Jerry get to where he began at the beginning of the first short?
8. Who is Jerry's biological mother?
9. Is the woman pictured in Junior Jerry's biological mother?
11. Why did Jerrys parents divorce?
12. Who is Jerry's foster parents?

Hotdiggedydemon wrote:

CLASSIFIED INFOMATION

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Ok ok.. I can wait... I think =S
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6. What happened during the moment of Jerry's death?
7. What was done with Jerry's corpse after his death?
10. The house seen at the start of Little Jerry and the Closet is differnt to the one seen in Junior. Yet both houses have a haunted closet.
13. Who was the "last little boy" to look into the closet?
15. Who is Junior's mother?

Hotdiggedydemon wrote:

Logical answers that make perfect sense.

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='( Ok....
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Hotdiggedydemon wrote:

Also, here's one more shocking revelation for ya.... Jerry's last name.... Is Jackson

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According to famsearch.com.. Jerry's surname is Jhonson. So your statement can only suggest that  Jerry's foster parents name was Jackson, and he later disconnected with his parents and met his father once again.....

Or you were making an incredible joke....
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2. Does the moon have a deeper personal meaning for Jerry, beyond a staple in the original episode that can be related to both at the start and the end?

Hotdiggedydemon wrote:

I like to think the 2 are staring at it at the same time.

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Jackie's moon scene occurs on a night that Jerry drunk drives, so they cannot be looking at it at the same time, at least in scenes we have already been presented with in the seires.

If this wasn't on the night that Jerry drunk drove, then this would still be shortly before Jerry killed himself... which is incorrect as "months pass" before Jackie rushes back to the home.
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3. Who is "2nd woman from original" and what is her story before she meets Jerry?
4. How did Jerry meet "2nd woman from original"?
5.What happens to "2nd woman from original" after she meets Jerry and before she returns with Junior?

Hotdiggedydemon wrote:

Her name is Jennifer, and the reason I haven't elaborated on her story is because, frankly, it doesn't seem interesting to me.

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Alrighty, here is a small selection of new questions then, and my guesses/thoughts/assumptions =O

17. Why did'nt Jennifer contact Jerry during her pregnancy?
--- My guess, dramatic effect. If not, perhaps she thought she could handle it... and then gave up a few months into the parenthood thing itself.

18. Why did Jennifer develop a drinking problem?
--- My guess, the same reason Jerry did. Life, and all its fabulous qualities.

19. What did Jennifer do for 6 years before she left?
--- My guess, "the routine".

20. Why did Jennifer leave town?
--- My guess, Junior was breaking her down as he did Jerry.

21. Why didn't the condom work?
--- My guess, Jennifer's princess does not produce natural chemicals and fluids, but substances that best resemble sulphuric acid.
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14. Jerry's door is fully closed at the start and end of Jackie, but is ajar at the start of Junior

Hotdiggedydemon wrote:

Maybe the wind blew it open?

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The sound effect used for the door closing at the end of Jackie would suggest that the door utilizes a standard hatch lock... So the door could probably be blown shut, but not open.

EDIT: In Jackie, she throws the door open with ease, without twisting the doorknob... So, ok, its a loose door

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16. Is there not anything good in the world that Jerry left behind after he died?

Hotdiggedydemon wrote:

Sorry, no suicide note.

sad Cheers man ='(

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Simon, his last name can be seen other times too, such as in the original on his driver's license reinstatement for a fraction of a second and RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE on his mailbox in "Jackie". Max just cracked a funny is all. I'm not sure if this is a "jeez" response.

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okay, lets see...

Yeah, Jerry's last name is Jhonson, I was just being a wise ass. Jerry's last name is mentioned in every cartoon except Jerry and the Closet, I think.

In regards to Jerry and Jackie looking at the moon at the same time, who's to say they look at the moon only once? Obviously the times we see them do it don't sync up, but maybe when Jackie was on the beach Jerry was looking at it again. Now, on to the new questions...

17, 18, 19, 20: All of those seem like safe assumptions. I guess ol' Jenny is more mysterious than I thought! But I feel like if I made a cartoon about her, it would probably be very similar to the cartoon I made about Jackie.

21: I'm interested you touched on this. One of the themes of the series is that Jerry has this uncanny bad luck that follows him wherever he goes, almost supernatural bad luck. So naturally, if he knocks a chick up, its going to be the one he used a condom with. Maybe it broke, maybe it had a hole in it, who knows.

But fuck, now I feel obliged to solve the mystery of the door. Damn you!

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22) where does ghost dad come in

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G-g-g-g-g-ghost D-d-d-d-d-dad!

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Removed post

I've got to stop this..

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